Curse

Tellani Artini · Jun 05, 2005, 09:43 AM // 09:43

The spirits don't keep you from fighting. They just change the playing field. If you couldn't kill the other team, something was wrong on your side.

Virtuoso · Jun 05, 2005, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

Yes.

Yes, you should.

That still doesn't change the fact that the tactic he suggested simply would not work.

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The spirits don't keep you from fighting. They just change the playing field.

No shit? You think it's possible to kill an entire team abusing this tactic with like 4 monks running around healing? Like I said, it was only possible to kill one or two before the 2 minute timer ressed the team again. You might think it's easy to kill someone with 1500 HP and 4 monks healing them, but it's not.

I really hope some guild starts exploting this in GvG so it gets some publicity. Maybe you're all so "sure" that this isn't an abusive tactic because you've never seen it in action. The other team had absolutely NO offensive capabilities. They weren't there to win. They were there to grief the other team in to quitting.

-Virt

Tellani Artini · Jun 05, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Virtuoso

I really hope some guild starts exploting this in GvG so it gets some publicity. Maybe you're all so "sure" that this isn't an abusive tactic because you've never seen it in action. The other team had absolutely NO offensive capabilities. They weren't there to win. They were there to grief the other team in to quitting.

That seems pretty easy even without spirits.

Virtuoso · Jun 05, 2005, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Tellani Artini

That seems pretty easy even without spirits.

Yea, but it's even easier with spirits, which means any bunch of newbs can do it. That's the problem.

-Virt

Makkert · Jun 05, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

To the ones stating that it takes 'no skill':
you think it takes no skill to think up with this build?

tjeez, give the guys some credit for beating FOTM.

congratz KCHS,
for showing the 'ranger are the suXoRz' and the FOTM a day of reconsideration.

Studio Ghibli · Jun 05, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15

I dunno.

People were running those cute little lightning spammers.

They designed a counter.

And you want me to be angry with them?

RepinsMirg · Jun 05, 2005, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Seriously it seems like all the people who are complaining are just mad now that there air ele ownage days might come to an end. Instead of complaining maybe you should start trying to work the cobwebs out of your head and start thinking of a counter.

Virtuoso · Jun 05, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Let me see if I can find roll eyes smiley big enough...

They did this to counter the "lightning spammers?" Yeah, my foot. Regarding the spamming EoE, that doesn't stop the lightning spammers as they do not kill enough people at the same time. Only AoEs would be able to kill enough people at the same time to set off the EoE chain reaction.

Regarding what other posters and myself are talking about, that build doesn't counter the "lightning spammers" build either. It counters ANY build. They sit there and do nothing, while shouting profanities and insults, waiting for you to quit.

To all of you who seem to think that this guild are the first to think of this, let's just get one thing straight. They are not the first to do this and they are not "original" in the least bit. Spamming these nature rituals has been a common occurance ever since nature rituals were given "spirits" instead of just effects that covered the entire map.

Nature rituals in their current form were implimented too late in the beta and were not watched carefully enough. Some of them can be used to create very abusive situations.

I mean, seriously... some of you are saying this build or thinking up this build takes skill? Give me a break. It involves spamming ONE skill over and over and over again. Yeah, tons of skill. Atleast the "air elemental spam" takes multiple spells and massive co-ordination. Not to mention the fact that it is easily countered.

[Edit: To those of you who say this doesn't work; Want to test this theory? Get yourself 2 monks and 2 rangers and hit up the Team Arenas. Make sure you give yourself a lot of time, though, as the matches are going to last as long as the other team feels like staying in the game.]

-Virt

Vusak · Jun 05, 2005, 10:45 AM // 10:45

hmm if the enemy was totally passive with rituals to just grief-win, then couldnt you just interrupt all further attempts to cast rituals?

eventually they would run out, and then you could start laying on the hex-love.

i think a couple of mesmers and a couple of aoe'rs would probably be able to cause problems too.

if the rituals are all being aoe'd, then the mesmers are stopping healing...

i dont know seems fairly straight forward to counter, just dont rely on hexes and enchants?

Tellani Artini · Jun 05, 2005, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by Virtuoso

They sit there and do nothing, while shouting profanities and insults, waiting for you to quit.

No. Please come back to reality. We kill things. Ask anyone that's faced us.

Aranador · Jun 05, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

I think it is intelligent use of abilities to counter a tactic that had become overly prevalent.

I like the fact that my current build is designed to run without buffing, and would have no great problems imposed on it from nature rituals, or that any problems would have been greater for others than for me.

badassmonkee · Jun 05, 2005, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Virtuoso

Regarding what other posters and myself are talking about, that build doesn't counter the "lightning spammers" build either. It counters ANY build. They sit there and do nothing, while shouting profanities and insults, waiting for you to quit.

Seriously tho, am I the only one here thinking wtf? If you had ever played us, most of the time we are offensive. We try to wait as little as possible in free for all matches just so we can get to the fighting. How do you think we won HoH a couple of times if all we did was wait?

Maybe we should let this topic sink so no one hears about this.

Goonter · Jun 05, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

whatever happen to this mesmer skill?

Unnatural Signet [Elite]
Description: Dispel the most recent "Nature Ritual." All of your skills are disabled for 60- seconds.
None
Skill Type: Signet .
Cooldown Time: 75 second(s)
Casting Time: 0 second(s)

Virtuoso · Jun 05, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Tellani Artini

No. Please come back to reality. We kill things. Ask anyone that's faced us.

Hey, maybe you should learn to read. That part of my post wasn't talking about you guys.

But then again, that's what this thread is all about now, isn't it? Someone mentions your tactic and your whole guild rushes in here to defend themselves and stroke each other's egos. Wow. You won the HoH. Congrats.

Back the my point. Nature Rituals need to be looked at a little more carefully by the Devs.

-Virt

Studio Ghibli · Jun 05, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

.. they weren't talking about how cool they were to win the HoH. The OP complained about this tactic, and the KCHS came to defend and elaborate. If someone wants to complain about something, both sides need to be reviewed.

Hell, a peep from the KCHS even made a comment about how he was surprised there's no upper-limit on spirits and this is something that needs to be reviewed.

Virtuoso · Jun 05, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

Hell, a peep from the KCHS even made a comment about how he was surprised there's no upper-limit on spirits and this is something that needs to be reviewed.

So why are they still arguing? They used a tactic that clearly needs to be looked at by the developers and they even admit that it needs to be looked at.

Did all the other guilds come in here and have a giant circle jerk when people were exploiting the life bond + essence bond and balthazar's aura tricks? No, because any intelligent person knew a fix was coming.

I'll tell you about the 3 types of people in this thread. Here ya go:

1) "Hey guys they're talking shit about our guild on the forums let's go defend ourselves!"

2) "Hey guys, this is an awesome build cause it counters the 'FOTM' Air Ele builds!" (Even though they have never seen it in action, not to mention that Air Ele builds have been popular only since last patch.)

3) "Hey guys, I've seen this in action and something's just not right about it. A.net needs to take a closer look!"

And with that, I'm done with this thread. There is nothing else that I need to say on the subject.

KCHS, whoever you guys are, congrats on winning the HoH with an 'unpopular' build. Good luck in your future battles.

-Virt

Sting · Jun 05, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Virtuoso

So why are they still arguing? They used a tactic that clearly needs to be looked at by the developers and they even admit that it needs to be looked at.

Did all the other guilds come in here and have a giant circle jerk when people were exploiting the life bond + essence bond and balthazar's aura tricks? No, because any intelligent person knew a fix was coming.

I'll tell you about the 3 types of people in this thread. Here ya go:

1) "Hey guys they're talking shit about our guild on the forums let's go defend ourselves!"

2) "Hey guys, this is an awesome build cause it counters the 'FOTM' Air Ele builds!" (Even though they have never seen it in action, not to mention that Air Ele builds have been popular only since last patch.)

3) "Hey guys, I've seen this in action and something's just not right about it. A.net needs to take a closer look!"

And with that, I'm done with this thread. There is nothing else that I need to say on the subject.

KCHS, whoever you guys are, congrats on winning the HoH with an 'unpopular' build. Good luck in your future battles.

-Virt

Yep NERF the rangers. LOL

Studio Ghibli · Jun 05, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Amazingly enough, I don't fall under any of those.

RepinsMirg · Jun 05, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

They keep posting because of someone like you who seems to be traumatized over this from the Beta when there was obviously some stacking issues with fertile seasons. News flash for you though this has been fixed sense last patch so I really have no clue why you are being such a pissant over the spamming of spirits.

Ishamael Sedai · Jun 06, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04

I for one applaud them for coming up with a counter to lightning ele's. how is what they are doing any less skillful that chain lightning?